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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Abdul: If you look in detail, you’ll find problematic hadith. Also, do remember that a lot of the jurisprudential work by the great scholars doesn’t rely much on hadith.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdul: If you look in detail, you’ll find problematic hadith. Also, do remember that a lot of the jurisprudential work by the great scholars doesn’t rely much on hadith.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What is it about the hadith that modernist muslims find both disturbing and embarrassing&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about the hadith that modernist muslims find both disturbing and embarrassing</p>
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		<title>By: Procrastination</title>
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		<dc:creator>Procrastination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Shab e Miraj&lt;/strong&gt;

Did the Prophet Muhammad physically ascend to the heavens on this night?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Shab e Miraj</strong></p>
<p>Did the Prophet Muhammad physically ascend to the heavens on this night?</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 04:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Abdussalam: It is definitely different than most other books on Islam by Muslims. Rahman is opinionated but does exercise skepticism towards the orthodox narrative which is refreshing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There aren’t that many books he wrote, surely you can remember which one you wanted to read. Was it one of the following?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;Major Themes of the Quran&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Islam and Modernity&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Revival and Reform in Islam&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdussalam: It is definitely different than most other books on Islam by Muslims. Rahman is opinionated but does exercise skepticism towards the orthodox narrative which is refreshing.</p>
<p>There aren’t that many books he wrote, surely you can remember which one you wanted to read. Was it one of the following?</p>
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<li>Major Themes of the Quran</li>
<li>Islam and Modernity</li>
<li>Revival and Reform in Islam</li>
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		<title>By: Abdusalaam</title>
		<link>http://www.zackvision.com/weblog/2005/07/islam-by-fazlur-rahman/comment-page-1/#comment-10878</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdusalaam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember reading his book a couple of years ago. It was different from what I had ever read before on the subject of Islam. It was an interesting read. I remember really liking it. This reminds me. I believe there is another good book by him which I had planned to read right after I read his Islam. Now if I can only recall the title. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading his book a couple of years ago. It was different from what I had ever read before on the subject of Islam. It was an interesting read. I remember really liking it. This reminds me. I believe there is another good book by him which I had planned to read right after I read his Islam. Now if I can only recall the title. </p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thabet:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You mean the scholarly consensus of Western academics which is built on the work of Joseph Schacht and Ignaz Goldziher&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, I should have qualified my statement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think Rahman was more interested in asking Muslims to engage in dialogue with these views of the classical Orientalists, rather than asking them to accept them wholesale.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the book, Rahman discusses this for several pages. His disagreement boils down to where he thinks Hadith came from (mostly from the practices of the early Islamic community rather than the Prophet) and what should be done about it (an honest appraisal of the historicity of Hadith and understanding its place and importance, rather than rejecting it wholesale.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;he was criticising what he perceived to be the flaws of secularism as a philosophy of truth (as opposed to political secularism&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;True, but he does think that beliefs like secular humanism, for example, are bad for society. I don’t agree with that. A system of justice, in my opinion, can be established without the necessity of relying on religion or God. But that is a long (and often boring) discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thabet:</p>
<blockquote><p>You mean the scholarly consensus of Western academics which is built on the work of Joseph Schacht and Ignaz Goldziher</p>
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<p>Yes, I should have qualified my statement.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think Rahman was more interested in asking Muslims to engage in dialogue with these views of the classical Orientalists, rather than asking them to accept them wholesale.</p>
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<p>In the book, Rahman discusses this for several pages. His disagreement boils down to where he thinks Hadith came from (mostly from the practices of the early Islamic community rather than the Prophet) and what should be done about it (an honest appraisal of the historicity of Hadith and understanding its place and importance, rather than rejecting it wholesale.)</p>
<blockquote><p>he was criticising what he perceived to be the flaws of secularism as a philosophy of truth (as opposed to political secularism</p>
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<p>True, but he does think that beliefs like secular humanism, for example, are bad for society. I don’t agree with that. A system of justice, in my opinion, can be established without the necessity of relying on religion or God. But that is a long (and often boring) discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: thabet</title>
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		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“On the historicity of Hadith, he sides mainly with the modern scholarly consensus…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You mean the scholarly consensus of Western academics which is built on the work of Joseph Schacht and Ignaz Goldziher, but which are more difficult to maintain for Western historians of Islam given all the work done since (by “Western” I simply mean academics in western, secular, universities, Muslim or otherwise). There have been Western academics who have started to question this ‘scholarly consensus’ and MM Azami defended Islamic disciplines from the attack by Schacht. Muslims from traditional institutions do not accept such a view, though there have been some criticisms of the way in which Muslims approach the hadith by some Indian and Pakistani scholars (like Amin Islahi). I think Rahman was more interested in asking Muslims to engage in dialogue with these views of the classical Orientalists, rather than asking them to accept them wholesale.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for secularism, which he calls a ‘corrosive acid’, he was criticising what he perceived to be the flaws of secularism as a philosophy of truth (as opposed to political secularism which gave him shelter from Pakistanis angry with an Urdu translation of &lt;em&gt;Islam&lt;/em&gt;). He believed that such a secularist truth eroded the difference between Good and Evil, without which societies do not function. Moreso, this difference was vital to allow justice to be established (he strongly ties in faith in One God with social and economic justice).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The most interesting point about Rahman, from his biography, is that his father was a Deobandi scholar, who was close to leading religious authorities in Indian Islam. For this reason, Rahman had a first hand understanding of traditional Islamic disciplines.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“On the historicity of Hadith, he sides mainly with the modern scholarly consensus…”</p>
<p>You mean the scholarly consensus of Western academics which is built on the work of Joseph Schacht and Ignaz Goldziher, but which are more difficult to maintain for Western historians of Islam given all the work done since (by “Western” I simply mean academics in western, secular, universities, Muslim or otherwise). There have been Western academics who have started to question this ‘scholarly consensus’ and MM Azami defended Islamic disciplines from the attack by Schacht. Muslims from traditional institutions do not accept such a view, though there have been some criticisms of the way in which Muslims approach the hadith by some Indian and Pakistani scholars (like Amin Islahi). I think Rahman was more interested in asking Muslims to engage in dialogue with these views of the classical Orientalists, rather than asking them to accept them wholesale.</p>
<p>As for secularism, which he calls a ‘corrosive acid’, he was criticising what he perceived to be the flaws of secularism as a philosophy of truth (as opposed to political secularism which gave him shelter from Pakistanis angry with an Urdu translation of <em>Islam</em>). He believed that such a secularist truth eroded the difference between Good and Evil, without which societies do not function. Moreso, this difference was vital to allow justice to be established (he strongly ties in faith in One God with social and economic justice).</p>
<p>The most interesting point about Rahman, from his biography, is that his father was a Deobandi scholar, who was close to leading religious authorities in Indian Islam. For this reason, Rahman had a first hand understanding of traditional Islamic disciplines.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajmal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ajmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Long ago I had read book written by Fazal ur rehman not keenly but just like a novel. His argument was mostly appealing but there were certain arguments which counldn’t find place in my mind. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sufi-ism helped establish good society but, later, it’s followers adopted sufis’ person as their guide than what sufis tought. That led to Bida’at. As a reaction to put the things straight Salfis took birth. Again, later people, instead of following what salfis tought, started following the person of salfi leaders. All this was due to lack of following the spirit of Islam.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long ago I had read book written by Fazal ur rehman not keenly but just like a novel. His argument was mostly appealing but there were certain arguments which counldn’t find place in my mind. </p>
<p>Sufi-ism helped establish good society but, later, it’s followers adopted sufis’ person as their guide than what sufis tought. That led to Bida’at. As a reaction to put the things straight Salfis took birth. Again, later people, instead of following what salfis tought, started following the person of salfi leaders. All this was due to lack of following the spirit of Islam.</p>
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