Continuing my previous post about evolution, I want to just let you know who Harun Yahya is.
HarunYahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.
Born in Ankara in 1956, Adnan Oktar is a prominent Turkish intellectual. Completely devoted to moral values and dedicated to communicating the sacred values he cherishes to other people, Oktar started his intellectual struggle in 1979 during his education at Mimar Sinan University’s Academy of Fine Arts [emphasis mine — ZA]. During his university years, he carried out detailed research into the prevalent materialistic philosophies and ideologies around him, to the extent of becoming even more knowledgeable about them than their advocates. As a result of his accumulation of knowledge, he has written various books on the fallacy of the theory of evolution. His dedicated intellectual effort against Darwinism and materialism has grown out to be a worldwide phenomenon. Quoting from the 22 April 2000 issue of New Scientist, Mr. Oktar became an “international hero” in communicating the fallacy of the theory of evolution and the fact of creation. The author has also produced various works on Zionist racism and Freemasonry and their negative effects on world history and politics. Besides these, Oktar has written more than a hundred books describing the morals of the Qur’an and faith related issues.
If he was at the Academy of Fine Arts, he wouldn’t have studied Biology or not? Let’s check another source:
The author, who writes under the pen-name HARUN YAHYA, was born in Ankara in 1956. Having completed his primary and secondary education in Ankara, he then studied arts [emphasis mine — ZA] at Istanbul’s Mimar Sinan University and philosophy [emphasis mine — ZA] at Istanbul University. Since the 1980s, the author has published many books on political, faith-related and scientific issues. Harun Yahya is well-known as an author who has written very important works disclosing the imposture of evolutionists, the invalidity of their claims and the dark liaisons between Darwinism and bloody ideologies such as fascism and communism.
Great! An arts and philosophy major debunking evolution! I need to go find a Muslim scientist, specifically a Biologist, who has written on evolution.
Yes, that would be much more convincing.
Yahya also does political commentary. He has websites up called islamdenouncesterrorism.com and islamdenouncesantisemitism.com
He also posts a lot of articles to a site called mediamonitors.net some of which are about interfaith issues and some about modern philosophical issues (of which he uses Darwinism as a prime example). He also has some articles about Freemasons (another popular topic among some Muslims and one that I think is total bunkum).
For criticism of modern Western philosophy I would much rather read Seyyed Hossein Nasr.
Zack, I would think that an enlightened dude like you would realize that a person doesn’t need a certified piece of paper to have an opinion. Yes, the man majored in unrelated fields, but that in itself should not be your only reason to render his views invalid. Read what he says, see if you can agree.
A-M: Arghh the freemason conspiracy theories!!
Owl: You are right to some extent and I’ll try to read his book. But it is always easier to trust an expert, especially in the sciences. Harun Yahya’s flirtation with the conspiracy theories about freemasons makes him more suspect.
I understand his problems and frustations though since the time he went to college in Turkey was one of turmoil and conflict between the extremists on the left and the right. Atheists, communists, socialists fought with nationalists, conservatives, etc. Finally, the army stepped in in 1980.
I have no idea what that whole Freemason thing is about. I’m wary of conspiracies. The way I figure, there are enough unsheathed evils out there for me to go out and seek the possibly hidden ones.
But yeh, a man having a few unsound thoughts doesn’t make the sound ones null and void. If that were the case, none of us would have any right to talk about anything at all. Really, what do we know for certain anyways?
Really, what do we know for certain anyways?
god exists 😉
God exist!!!!!harun yahya made me realise that to a degree of absolute certainty!!!!never have been so proud to be a muslim.knowledge is from Allah ,not from a certified piece of paper huh.by the way most of the prophets were sheperds and carpenters ,remember..it doesnt make them less a thinker right!!!
well if we were to go back,during prophets time,he was mocked because the pagans and Jewish thought that he was incapable of carrying those devine message simply because of him not being a great “poet” or a somebody at that time,right.
i think what Allah wants us to learn is to be extremely humble,for without humility we might post prejudice and failing to grab the essential message.and by the way ..what have we done to help the muslim ummah??
fatin/aisha: I don’t think Harun Yahya can or should be compared to prophets. Also, the message of the prophets had to do with morality/ethics etc. However, for science today you do need a background. It need not necessarily be a degree in science. But as is obvious from a later post of mine, Harun Yahya completely misunderstands the 2nd law of thermodynamics. This is something I have studied and can opine about.
Darwin himself didnt do Biology when he came up with the whole evolution theory , rather he was an amateur travelling and working for someone at that time.
Rabia: True. There is some difference though between the 1830s-50s and today. Science has become much more specialized.
Plus it’s not just the fact that Harun Yahya has not studied science in college, rather it’s that he gets a lot of things wrong in his critique of the theory of evolution. He repeats all the standard stuff that creationists say. For example, he completely misunderstands 2nd law of thermodynamics. I haven’t taken college level biology so I might not be the best person to judge his arguments there, but I am an engineer and know thermodynamics well.
ZACK KONCEPTS ARE ALL AROUND YOU AND SO ARE THE FACTS YOU CHOSE.ITS EITHER GOD CREATED US OR WE ALL COME FROM A SINGLE ATOM.AND BELIVE ME I DID NOT EVOLUTIONIZ FROM A MONKEY. ONLY FOOLS AND UGLY CUNTS BELIVE THAT BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY THING WHICH LOOKS LIKE THEM JUST COMPARE DARWINS FACE TO THE FACE OF A GURILLA AND U WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
Tarki: Quit the shouting (i.e. the capital letters). BTW why can’t God have created us from a single atom and then some monkey?
And I am warning you about your language. I’ll ban you if you use such language again.
WELL ZACK IM NOT SHOUTING AND WHY WHOULD GOD CREATE US 4RM A MONKEY AND THEN FROM A SINGLE ATOM? HAVE U EVER READ A HARUN YAHYA BOOK? IF U HAVE THEN U WILL SURELY KNOW THAT HE KNOWS WAT HIS TALKIN ABOUT. AND NEXT TIME WATCH WHO U R WARNIN COZ THI IS A GOOD DEBATE SITE AND I DONT WANA END UP HACKHIN IT KAPISH?
ZACK GOD HAS TO SAY BE AND IT BECOMSE U GET ME? SO IF IDIOTS LIKE DARWIN BELEIVE WE COME 4RM SINGLE ATOMS AND MONKEYS THEN MAYBE U WHOULD LIKE TO KEEP UR THIERYZ TO UR SELFS COZ I AINT RELATED TO NO MONKEYS.
Tarki: As I said before, typing in all CAPITAL LETTERS is considered SHOUTING.
BTW why would God create the law of gravitation? God can do anything, right? He did not need gravity. This argument of yours is ridiculous.
About Harun Yahya, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He’s just regurgitating the standard creationist propaganda. I have written about him here, here, here, here and here.
U WHOULD LIKE TO KEEP UR THIERYZ TO UR SELFS COZ I AINT RELATED TO NO MONKEYS
You know this is my website and I can write whatever I want. If you don’t like, don’t read it.
BTW, it doesn’t matter if you deny any scientific facts or theories.
AND NEXT TIME WATCH WHO U R WARNIN COZ THI IS A GOOD DEBATE SITE AND I DONT WANA END UP HACKHIN IT KAPISH?
Quit the threat, fool.
ZACK HARUN YAHYA IS LIKE MANY OF THE GREAT ISLAMIC SCHOLARS,ASTRONEMERS,INVENTERS AND SCIENCETISTS WHO SINCE THE DAWN OF ISLAM HAVE BEEN TELLING US WHAT IS INSIDE US (IT WAS A MUSLIM DOCTOR WHO MADE THE FIRST CORECT DIAGRAM OF THE HUMAN BODY)TO THE BIRTH OF STARS AND THEY DID ALL THIS BY SIMPLY STUDYING THE QURAN. AND ZACK I WARNED U.
you’re right, zack. God is capable of doing anything including the law of gravity, bu he’s the absolute decision maker. No body tells Him what to do. If He didn’t have created the law of gravity,then He would have created another sceintific law to support the living things and us. It is easy for Him. Still men would have to learn scientifically the law substituting the law of gravity if had made one. In muslim world, all scientific facts, theories and laws we’ve learnt and we will learn are known as scientific united sets of system of the universe. This what enables you to learn because they are immutable. What would happen if the law you’ve learnt and written today changed in the following day, and the next, next, following days? Our mothers gave a birth a human, the next pregnancy they gave a birth a goat, then monkey, then snack? Then, there wouldn’t have been science and theories and laws.
The inexistence of evolution will show us that naturally, our great grandchildren will never be other creatures in the next millions of years, more handsome? well… maybe 🙂
Furthermore, God has set up another set for us, which we will never learn, that is, heaven, the world after our ressurection.
😉 After all, it is us who are spoiled by Him because He knows how greedy we are for science and knowledge.
Well Zack, it is nice to know other argument like yours, but one thing I’m sure of, the nature of knowledge is knowing that we know nothing, right? Peace..
ridwan: I think you don’t understand the theory of evolution at all. It is currently the foundation of most of biology. The fossil record is just a small part of it.
Evolution is false. Anybody with a grain of common sense will realise this.
An interesting thing about evolution. The Western mind easily accepts it now but at the same time the Western logical tradition also professes to believe that the saying post hoc ergo propter hoc (just because A happened before B, it does not mean that A was the cause of B) is false.
Every person who posted messages to this site I just want you to visit these sites: Harun Yahya
Evolution Deceit
You all probably will find all the answers in these sites.
Demijan: Why do you think so?
Hazidi: I don’t think that is relevant.
vildan: I have posted links to Harun yahya’s sites in this post as well as in other posts on this topic. He doesn’t make much sense from a scientific point of view. He is more intent on refuting evolution because of materialism and social darwinism.
Harun Yahya is a phenomenon like Darwin was one. The difference is that Harun appears with all his faith and knowledge, to be a brilliant peaople not always have to gain educational degree (Don’t narrow down your view, guys); while Darwin came up with his knowledge with his hesitation in it, secularism is one of hesitation built by “darkness of mind”. So why should we spread our hatred to him who wants to offer a clearer view of something? Harun Yahya is clear and clean enough for us to believe 🙂
I can’t agree more
Rijke: Harun Yahya gets most of the theory of evolution and its related concepts wrong. Also, it seems his main problem with it is social Darwinism, materialism and other philosophical stuff. Thus he’s coming at it from a completely wrong perspective. He can’t distinguish between the scientific mechanisms behind evolution (e.g., natural selection) and the philosophical stuff that he claims originated from the theory of evolution. These are very different things.
Well, I did Biology (+ theory of evolution)and actually doing a Master Degree in Applied Science. I read the comments. I am not for or against whatever. I just wanna ask one thing: Can you Zack tell me then how could then the species that derived for the process of evolution could survive( though we have no proof of such intermediate types) bearing in mind that conditions that prevailed during that time too SHOULD have undergone some changes??? Examples would be from a phase of aquatic animals to land mammals??
Thanks…
Haleemah: I can’t tell you anything since I am not a biologist. In fact, I haven’t studied biology in college at all. You could say that this is one similarity between me and Harun Yahya.
There are a lot of scientists who have worked in this area and according to my understanding quite a lot of biology is based on the theory of evolution.
Since you have studied the subject, you probably know about all the work in this area.
What I want to ask you is simple: When considering the scientific aspects, don’t bring faith in. After all, God could have created life in any way. I don’t think the theory of evolution is incompatible with belief in God and a lot of people (Jewish, Christian and Muslim) agree.
Maybe he did not studied it at school but he has learnt it indirectly. We don’t need a degree paper to certify what we know.
What I wanted you to know is that just try to think over what I asked you last time. One basic thing in the theory of evolution is the phases where we supposedly have moved from aquatic life to earthly living. Imagine for some moments how could it possible? What about the food web? Transformation in the body would be drastic as well as conditions in the atmosphere to allow this change? Please think over it Zack. I just want you people to use your mind. I’m not saying anything about faith? From a rational point of view. Please Zack if there’s a way we can discuss more on these issues, U have my email ad.
Thanks…
Haleemah: Maybe he did not studied it at school but he has learnt it indirectly. We don’t need a degree paper to certify what we know.
Yes, but if you have read Harun Yahya’s books, it is clear that he is more worried about social Darwinism and associated philosophies than the science. His arguments against the science seem to be the well-debunked ones of the Christian creationists. For example, he repeats their complete misinterpretation of Thermodynamics.
Imagine for some moments how could it possible?
Like I said, I am not a biologist. Looking up this info so that I don’t write something absurd will take some time. My understanding is that all scientists agree that the theory of evolution is the most likely explanation.
What is your alternate explanation?
Zack, your main argument here is mostly on the thermodynamics misinterpretation you claimed that Harun Yahya has made.
How about the other main evolution ideas..
Based on your argument, I don’t think you have gone through the evolution books written by Harun Yahya…
There is one thing I have to agree with you…Harun Yahya does stress on social Darwinism..But what is wrong with that…He does have his points doesn’t he…Zack, why dont you read on his facts part rgarding evolution…
It does not matter even if you are gardener….As long as you have the facts and prove to say something , it is still acceptable.Of course, you need the knowledge to do that…Harun Yahya has that knowledge…
I don’t want to brag, Alhamdullillah, I am a second year medical student…I study human anatomy, embryology, microbiology and many others…I have to say that Harun Yahya is correct in every field and his claims are valid and scientifically correct.
Zack, excuse me for saying this..
you are just a typical materialist…
Zack, your main argument here is mostly on the thermodynamics misinterpretation you claimed that Harun Yahya has made.
How about the other main evolution ideas..
Based on your argument, I don’t think you have gone through the evolution books written by Harun Yahya…
There is one thing I have to agree with you…Harun Yahya does stress on social Darwinism..But what is wrong with that…He does have his points doesn’t he…Zack, why dont you read on his facts part rgarding evolution…
It does not matter even if you are gardener….As long as you have the facts and prove to say something , it is still acceptable.Of course, you need the knowledge to do that…Harun Yahya has that knowledge…
I don’t want to brag, Alhamdullillah, I am a second year medical student…I study human anatomy, embryology, microbiology and many others…I have to say that Harun Yahya is correct in every field and his claims are valid and scientifically correct.
Zack, excuse me for saying this..
you are just a typical materialist…
zack..have u even read the Quran?i think u should thoroughly,humbly read the Quran first..coz the tone of your speech is very similar to the ignorant as opposed to the believers…all that Harun Yahya wants to do is bringing faith back to to much needed society,why r we even arguing .materialism is definitely an indoctrination which has sway millions of souls..but as alwasy the truth will prevail as Allah has promised..ALLAHUAKBAR,may Allah lead us all to the right path.
You know, Noam Chomsky is an excellent critic of US foreign policy. He’s authored many books, and is considered an expert. However, he is only a PhD in Linguistics, of which he pioneered the field. That doesn’t make him less qualified, I know Political Science professors who use him as a major source.
Islam is hijacked by ignorant and narrow mind people. I wonder what happened to all the mathematicians and philosophers who used to belong to this religion.
Ref: see
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Indexes/Arabs.html
Islam is popular once because its tolerance for other religions and no one forcefully convert them. Now all the decent people either keep shut or gradually converting to other tolerable religions. How come we had so many Muslim scientists once? Now we don’t care about science, mathematics or philosophy. If some one says some thing it is always against the Islam or Koran. To me it looks that most Muslims care about what their woman are wearing or what others are doing irrespective to what are their obligations to the society.
Abdul Rashid, why are you wasting your money and time at medical school. Just pray for miracle for everyone’s health.
Fatin there is a world outside religion. If you see interprets every thing through Koran or religion, such as don’t believing in evolution then you mustn’t be using computer. As it is made possible by the advances in science.
Abdul Rashid: How about the other main evolution ideas
Most of Harun Yahya’s critiques on the scientific aspects is copied verbatim from creationists. A lot of people have rebutted those arguments. For example, look at Talk Origins Archive.
The reason I focussed on the thermodynamics issue is because this is one area I know a lot about.
I don’t think you have gone through the evolution books written by Harun Yahya
I have read some of Darwinism Refuted.
Harun Yahya does stress on social Darwinism..But what is wrong with that…He does have his points doesn’t he…Zack, why dont you read on his facts part rgarding evolution
The problem with Harun Yahya’s focus on social Darwinism is that it blinds him to the science. He is trying to refute the science because of the philosophy even though the science is sound while the philosophy is much disputed.
you are just a typical materialist
What makes you think so? I have criticized Harun Yahya and talked about my thinking on the theory of evolution, but have said nothing about materialism, atheism, communism, social Darwinism or any other such philosophy.
fatin: have u even read the Quran?
I have.
coz the tone of your speech is very similar to the ignorant as opposed to the believers.
C’mon, now this is rude. You shouldn’t come to my weblog and question my faith.
all that Harun Yahya wants to do is bringing faith back to to much needed society.
I have no objection about his working for bringing faith back to society. I don’t like his distortion of science. Faith does not depend on the theory of evolution being false, but Harun and his ilk do think so.
Sulayman: Noam Chomsky is an excellent critic of US foreign policy.
I don’t want to get into a discussion about Chomsky here. So I’ll refrin from any comment.
Mariam: Good comment.
Who created the universe? Some say It came from the big bang. possible. But ask them who created the prime matter for the big bang? Then Some ask who created God? Why is it so hard to understand that He is Eternal? Try to count 1,2 million, zillion, where does it stop? Or try to count to minus infinite… it doesnt have a beginning nor an end, even though it is easy to count you just know that you cant reach any limit of infinite. Then how come the universe is in wonderful order of orbiting stars and planets ? Some say everything was created by chance… sincerely now, whats the possibility that the universe was created from nothing, with no reason, in excellent order ? And besides all people die, (with the probability of 1). And also please read the Kuran, as I read the Bible, Bhagarvad Ghita, Nietzsche and such…
Who created the universe? Some say It came from the big bang. possible. But ask them who created the prime matter for the big bang? Then Some ask who created God? Why is it so hard to understand that He is Eternal? Try to count 1,2 million, zillion, where does it stop? Or try to count to minus infinite… it doesnt have a beginning nor an end, even though it is easy to count you just know that you cant reach any limit of infinite. Then how come the universe is in wonderful order of orbiting stars and planets ? Some say everything was created by chance… sincerely now, whats the possibility that the universe was created from nothing, with no reason, in excellent order ? And besides all people die, (with the probability of 1). And also please read the Kuran, as I read the Bible, Bhagarvad Ghita, Nietzsche and such…
Who created the universe? Some say It came from the big bang. possible. But ask them who created the prime matter for the big bang? Then Some ask who created God? Why is it so hard to understand that He is Eternal? Try to count 1,2 million, zillion, where does it stop? Or try to count to minus infinite… it doesnt have a beginning nor an end, even though it is easy to count you just know that you cant reach any limit of infinite. Then how come the universe is in wonderful order of orbiting stars and planets ? Some say everything was created by chance… sincerely now, whats the possibility that the universe was created from nothing, with no reason, in excellent order ? And besides all people die, (with the probability of 1). And also please read the Kuran, as I read the Bible, Bhagarvad Ghita, Nietzsche and such…
I apologize for the triple post, my internet explorer encountered some problems, and I wanted to make a correction, so that there be no misunderstanding, “…what is the possibility that the universe created itself from nothing, for no reason…”
Emir: I think you misunderstand what I wrote. I have no problem with the universe (or life) being created by God. I do, however, disagree with Harun Yahya and his ilk. Evolution, big bang, etc. are scientific theories which are well accepted among scientists. These theories are the best explanation we have of the creation of the universe and living organisms respectively. Accepting them is not at all contradictory to belief in God.
Peace. I of course agree that science is not contradictory to the existence of God, in fact science is supposed to discover the truth. If God exists, and if He revealed us the holy book Kuran, and if He mentioned there that people were created from Adam and Eve(that is from two humans), then the theory of humans evolving from monkeys is contrary to what He revealed(which either implies that it is not true what is in the holy book or Darwins theory is not true). Thats why muslims do not believe in Darwins theory. Therefore it would be contradictory for me to believe in evolution from monkeys. As for the big bang, I dont have a reason to deny it, only I am against the illogical presumption “big bang is the beginning therefore no God”. It is illogical because according to the laws of physics something can not come from nothing (meaning that) there is “someone” outside the universe with its laws who created it all. All in all, I believe science should be developed, but theories which from the beginning deny Gods word are limited. The first words of the Kuran revealed to the last messenger Mohammad(peace be upon him) were “Read in the name of your Lord” The word ikra in arabic(in which the Kuran was revealed) means read, learn. Therefore, the first order from God was to increase knowledge but in His name only. I think a direct chat would allow me to express more ideas that I have but which I cannot express in these posts.
Emir: if He mentioned there that people were created from Adam and Eve(that is from two humans), then the theory of humans evolving from monkeys is contrary to what He revealed.
[pedantic]Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. It’s not possible to call that ancestor a monkey.[/pedantic]
The apparent contradiction between science and Quran here is a long topic. I can’t do justice to it in a comment. Let me just say that there is some conditioning and history involved here in how we interpret the Quran. Plus I think the Quran is not a science textbook and we should not look to it for scientific knowledge.
Say: ‘Do you reject Him Who created the earth in two days, and make others equal to Him? That is the Lord of all the worlds.’ He placed firmly embedded mountains on it, towering over it, and blessed it and measured out its nourishment in it, laid out for those who seek it —- all in four days. Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, ‘Come willingly or unwillingly.’ They both said, ‘We come willingly.’ In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. We adorned the lowest heaven with lamps and guarded it. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Surah Fussilat: 9-12)
Pls read the verses with n open mind…
It is He who sent down the Book to you from Him: verses containing clear judgements —- they are the core of the Book —- and others which are open to interpretation. Those with deviation in their hearts follow what is open to interpretation in it, desiring conflict, seeking its inner meaning. No one knows its inner meaning but God. Those firmly rooted in knowledge say, ‘We have faith in it. All of it is from our Lord.’ But only people of intelligence pay heed. (Surat Al ‘Imran: 7)
I will divert from My Signs all those who are arrogant in the earth without any right. If they see every Sign, they will not believe in it. If they see the way of right guidance, they will not take it as a way. But if they see the way of error, they will take that as a way. That is because they denied Our Signs and paid no attention to them. (Surat al-A’raf: 146)
Who could do greater wrong than someone who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord and then turns away from them, forgetting all that he has done before? We have placed covers on their hearts, preventing them from understanding it, and heaviness in their ears. Though you call them to guidance, they will nonetheless never be guided. (Surat al-Kahf: 57)
Zack… i’m sorry for taking so much space… but those passages above are from THE ALMIGHTY HIMSELF… it is for MANKIND not for muslims only… i just wanna share these beautiful verses with u… May Allah Guide U…
azeem: What exactly is your point? Those Quranic verses, expect for the first one, are not pertinent to the discussion at all. Even the first is about creation of the universe, but does not really say anything about the scientific processes involved (big bang or otherwise). And that’s how it should be since the Quran is a book about morality, not about science.
The Quran is not only a book of morality.The Quran is a MANUAL for LIFE. It is a book revealed to MANKIND about life including science n its laws,philosophy,history,social studies n many more-most important above all the Quran reveals to mankind the EXISTENCE of GOD n His Attributes.
(azeem: What exactly is your point? Those Quranic verses, expect for the first one, are not pertinent to the discussion at all.)
i would like to emphasize the first verse of the first passage to u-Say: ‘Do you reject Him Who created the earth in two days, and make others equal to Him?
There is no such thing as theory of evolution.NOTHING in this world is coincidental.Everything happens for a reason.In the above verse God asks mankind(including his denial of God’s existence) to reflect on His Omnipotence as to how the earth was created in only two days(pls bear in mind if He WILLs it could be much faster).
REad n reflect on the last verse-That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing.
A DECREE from the Almighty here means the LAW set up by Him.Scientific law of how the earth, the mountains etc… was Created.The verse further states the All-Knowing-let’s face it Zack… that knowledge itself is limitless n infinite.You know about Thermodynamics? But how much do u really know? God Knows Everything!(He also knows why u set up this website!)
The 2nd passage that i posted refers to a group of people like u Zack.
God Himself explains-Those with deviation in their hearts follow what is open to interpretation in it, desiring conflict, seeking its inner meaning. No one knows its inner meaning but God.
Have u ever actually ask urself that whatever u or anyone in the world for that matter learned so far be it science or rather Thermodynamics etc… to this very moment might have JUST ONLY skirted around the surface of a more profound knowledge that you will NEVER know? i think u only desire conflict with “Harun Yahya n his ilk”… the truth is u ONLY major in Thermodynamics n…..? oh nvm….
The 3rd passage is a WARNING from the AlMighty.Pls read it over n over again… n of course REFLECT.
I will divert from My Signs all those who are arrogant in the earth without any right. If they see every Sign, they will not believe in it. If they see the way of right guidance, they will not take it as a way. But if they see the way of error, they will take that as a way. That is because they denied Our Signs and paid no attention to them. (Surat al-A’raf: 146)
The 4th passage is for my muslim brothers n sisters alike who tried their best to help you understand.God explains:
Who could do greater wrong than someone who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord and then turns away from them, forgetting all that he has done before? We have placed covers on their hearts, preventing them from understanding it, and heaviness in their ears. Though you call them to guidance, they will nonetheless never be guided. (Surat al-Kahf: 57)
So Zack… all those above are exactly my point… May Allah Guide U n PEACE!
– some verses from the Qur’an read:
“Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them asunder, and made from water every living thing? Will they not then believe?” (Surah al-Anbiya 21:30)
– “God is the one who created the heavens, the earth and what is between them…”Qur’an, 25:59
– “I built the heaven with power and it is I, who am expanding it.” Qur’an,51:47
– “O assembly of Jinns and men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with authority.”Qur’an,55:33
– “(God is the One who) sent down rain from the sky and with it brought forth a variety of plants in pairs.” Qur’an, 20:53
– “… and of all fruits (God) placed (on the earth) two pairs.” Qur’an, 13:3
– “Verily, I created humankind from a small quantity of mingled fluids.” Qur’an, 76:2
– “Then He made [ man’s ] offspring from the essence of a despised fluid.” Qur’an, 32:8
– “God fashioned humans from a clinging entity.” Qur’an, 96:2
– “I fashioned the clinging entity into a chewed lump of flesh and I fashioned the chewed flesh into bones and I clothed the bones with intact flesh.” Qur’an, 23:14
How could have someone know these things 1400 years ago? I remind you that these verses can be found in a 1000 or more year old Quran as well as in any that muslims have at home. There are more such verses in the Quran (one more reason to look in it). In fact the Quran recommends that those who doubt it try to find any contradictions in it…
azeem: It is a book revealed to MANKIND about life including science n its laws, philosophy, history, social studies.
I disagree. The Quran does sometimes talk about these things but always in the context of moral lessons. It never really reads like a history book or a science book.
There is no such thing as theory of evolution. NOTHING in this world is coincidental.
The theory of evolution has nothing to say about God’s existence or otherwise. It only explains a scientific process. God could be directing that process. I know a lot of people, Muslims, Christians and Jews, who believe in God and consider the theory of evolution to be the best scientific explanation for the origin of species.
how the earth was created in only two days.
I think different verses in the Quran explain that “day” does not mean 24 hours.
Have u ever actually ask urself that whatever u or anyone in the world for that matter learned so far.
I agree that there’s a lot I don’t know, but I am always open to knowledge.
I’ll say again that evolution is not inconsistent with a belief in God, just like Newton’s laws of mechanics aren’t inconsistent with God’s existence.
Emir: I try to avoid discussion on the Quran because it can inflame passions and usually isn’t productive either. Suffice it to say that I take the Quran’s message to be good Muslims and not to teach us history, science, etc.
If science tends to find te truth, and the Quran claims that it is the truth with such arguments, shouldnt scientists look what it has to say? I remind you that Nobel prize winners such as, Maurice Baccuale, AbdulKarim, stated that the Quran was true about many top scientific discoveries which were found only in the last three centuries!
If the Quran for eg states that there are seven heavens(nowadays many scientists believe that there is nothing beyond this universe(hence the word -universe)), wouldnt it be recommendable for scientists to look into the possibility of more heavens?
I would just like you to give me your opinion on the verses I wrote in my previous post, and then Im out of the discussion.